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AmbientMelody · Jun 14, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Like in the topic.

'How to bring back old, good PUGging days in PvE and end this Hero nonsense in PvP, while retaining heroes and henchmen useful in their respective manner'

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

I have a remedy for all of your problems. It will very successfully actually force people to form teams, but it won't render heroes useless. There will be times when you will want to do a normal mode mission lonely with henchies and heroes just as you will be able to bolster your HM team with two heroes.

normal mode

1) maximum one hero per each human player
2) maximum 4 heroes in the party for 8+ players map, 3 heroes for 6 player man, 2 heroes for 4 player map
3) can fill all slots with henchmen in the party

hard mode

1) maximum one hero per each human player
2) maximum 2 heroes in the party no matter the difficulty
3) able to fill no more than 2 slots with henchmen in the party

PvP

1) heroes banned from any form of ranked pvp games excluding hero battles and guild scrimmages
2) in non-ranked/scrimmage games no limit on the use and availability of heroes

Advantages of such system?

1) grouping in HM makes sense, gimmick pve builds such as discord, imbagonway and other shit is dead
2) heroes still remain very useful and often well-skilled and well-equipped hero will be crucial since it's not too easy to get 8-man team each time
3) Urgoz/Deep/DOA/SF/any dungeon will become a place where real human cooperation is needed, heroes nonsense is over
4) now it's easier to focus on one or two heroes instead of wasting money and faction to get 4-8 heroes well equipped ... now you will be more likely to focus on no more than 3-5 well equipped diverse heroes since you can bring only one of them with you
5) pvp is again a human vs human fight, there is no room there for heroes ... and this brings old, good prophecies/factions days back in place ... perhaps HA level will rise since gimmick builds will be likely to die-off natural and painful death ... hero battles which are based solely about heroes micro and capping points is untouched

DarkGanni · Jun 14, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Disadvantages of this system:

1) With one hero and limited Henchmen: I can't play how I want and when I want. That's enough to be a bad idea.

Also, the only thing that brought pugging back together is the zaishen quests.

You want a better GW? GW2 is the answer (or at least I hope it will).

Verene · Jun 14, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Yeah, big /unsigned here.

Why should people have to change the way they play and be forced to play in a way they don't want to?

mmmkay i am bad · Jun 14, 2009, 09:52 PM // 21:52

/unsigned
play with enough nubs as it is =)

dusanyu · Jun 14, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

/signed while i could Give a rats Fart about PvE it kills Heroes in PvP now that is worth it alone (the Extra PvE QQ's just sweeten the deal with a little music)

Shayne Hawke · Jun 14, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

For PvE, initiate Global Party Search. Until then, good luck.

Xsiriss · Jun 14, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Oh dear not another 'old school' player wanting the 'good old days back', I doubt you'd find someone willing to spam minions and death nova for a pug or even be say a sab healer. There's very few people who want this kind of thing...Leave PvE alone.

As for PvP just ban them except in HB.

Obrien Xp · Jun 14, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

/unsigned

Enough QQ with heroes already

Forcing people is wrong and is a horrid idea period.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

For PvE, initiate Global Party Search.

I like that very much

Though a translator would be nice until my German comes up to cut. Das ist gute nein?

lewis91 · Jun 14, 2009, 10:21 PM // 22:21

In as much of a polite way i can, a big ****ing unsigned here. Just because i don't wanna play with people and face the possiblility of failing shouldn't mean i should be forced to play a game the way i want to.

REDdelver · Jun 14, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

There are plenty of very active guilds out there. If you dont want to hero/hench, then by all means.....attempt to find a guild with activity.

Thats the beauty about things...we have options. Just have to utilize these options to best fit how you want to do things.

Lets be honest. Lets flash back to before hero's, where there was nothing but "pug" slamming threads of people tired of pugging. We finally get our cake and are able to eat it too, yet theres still people who dont like the icing. But hey, thats life in general.

Tenebrae · Jun 14, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

It would be great in a world where every city has lots of ppl to party ,there are plenty of ppl of each prof , they are not retarded and even so they have PvE skills and know where/when to use it ( with good rank for them ofc ).
Sadly we are not in that world , so very VERY BIG /NOTSIGNED

**Marty Silverblade** · Jun 14, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

If you want to group with people then go ahead. Don't force me to waste time failing vanquishes because I HAVE to take a bunch of useless failures with me.

/notsigned.

samerkablamer · Jun 14, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

I have an idea! whenever you go with a guildie you can limit yourself and bring henchies

/notsigned

Owik Gall · Jun 14, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

/unsigned.

Too many people complaining about the heroes instead of making the best out of them.

I can sense the guru admin approaching with the CLOSED hammer.

Unreal Havoc · Jun 14, 2009, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

Forcing people is wrong and is a horrid idea period.

With this mindset aren't you technically forcing everyone into hero and henching their way through campaigns because no one will pug together?

It's a two sided coin there.

/notsigned however becuse it's too late in Guild Wars lifespan now to make a good difference. Most of the people who probably cared to play with real people probably left by now.

talon994 · Jun 14, 2009, 11:16 PM // 23:16

9/10 of the PuG's i join i usually leave, why? because most of them are complete idiots

/notsigned i prefer heroes over idiots anyday

ajc2123 · Jun 14, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

The box I bought said something along the lines of go in a group OR bring a team of 'skilled' henchman.

/unsigned. I'll play it the way I want, with a controlled group. IE H/H

Pugs Not Drugs · Jun 14, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

NO. Absolutely not.

On one of the first zquests, our leader was a warrior. He asked everyone else to ping his skills, but he refused to ping. He assured us he was a pro. On the first mob, me (the monk) saw him use [Mark of Protection]. I raged.

I 2-Man discord zquests now.

/unsigned

Spiritz · Jun 14, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

The box I bought said something along the lines of go in a group OR bring a team of 'skilled' henchman.

/unsigned. I'll play it the way I want, with a controlled group. IE H/H

If you find the skilled henchmen send them my way lol.

I like players who dont rage quit or think they`re indestructable an die within seconds - or those who actually do what they are told . .I also like players who dont in middle of a fight decide they have to depart for outside reasons.
.. oh wait thats heros/hench
/notsigned

Magi Ultimatus · Jun 15, 2009, 12:14 AM // 00:14

/unsigned a good thousand times. The mere thought of having to PuG gives me nightmares! If I wanted to fail something numerable times, I'd just walk into foundry with a Healing Hands tank.